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Engineers Make a Difference: Motivating Students to Pursue an Engineering Education

Sustainable Energy Engineering Teacher's Guide

Aerospace Engineering Teacher's Guide

Mechanical Engineering Teacher's Guide

Engineering Principles Teacher's Guide

Engineering Graphics Teacher's Guide

Aeronautical Engineering Teacher's Guide

Civil Engineering Teacher's Guide

Teaching Engineering Made Easy: A Friendly Introduction to Engineering Activities for Middle School Teachers

The Musical Engineer: A Music Enthusiast's Guide to Engineering and Technology Careers

The Fantastical Engineer

The Fantastical Engineer: A Thrillseeker's Guide to Careers in Theme Park Engineering - Second Edition

High Tech Hot Shots: Careers in Sports Engineering

Is There an Engineer Inside You?: A Comprehensive Guide to Career Decisions in Engineering

Creating a New Breed of Engineer

I found this article in the paper last week – is it a great idea or does it bend the rules too far? If we want to educate well-rounded engineers, is the system broken? Accredited or not, getting an engineering degree from Stanford will set you up for life. However, if accreditation is a problem, how can other schools follow in their footsteps?

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“Stanford is training a new type of engineer for a fast-changing world and James Plummer wants to get the word out that students needn't be a total techie to apply.

'We're looking for kids who think of the world in terms of finding solutions to big problems, like global warming, international development, the environment," Plummer, dean of the School of Engineering, said in an interview. "We want to attract students ... who might have a wider world view" than those in the traditional math- and science-laden programs featured at the nation's top technical schools.

'We are not - and should not be - a technical institute," Plummer told the university's Faculty Senate last month. "If (students) come here, they can take advantage of all the other pieces of this campus, which are equally as good as the School of Engineering."

The approach has advantages when recruiting the kind of students Stanford wants, Plummer said. But it has also brought the engineering school some grief, both from the professional group that accredits it and from the employers who hire the graduates.

Although accreditation guidelines have changed in recent years, they still require that students take a certain number of specific technical classes - a more traditional program with a heavy load of math and engineering.

'We try to encourage diversity in (engineering) programs, since that's the strength of the American system," said Kate Aberle, deputy executive director of ABET, which provides accreditation for Stanford's undergraduate engineering programs. "But there is a certain body of knowledge the engineering community feels students must have."

Accreditation's edge
Stanford's classes in areas like "negotiation" and "entrepreneurship," or even multidisciplinary classes where engineering students work with students from business, law and medicine don't always satisfy those bottom-line requirements.

Stanford's engineering school is ranked second in the nation behind MIT. The school grants about 350 bachelor's, 1,100 master's and 270 doctoral degrees each year.

Still, Stanford's push to broaden the student experience has had consequences, Plummer said.

"We end up on the edge of an accreditation," he said. "We have not yet failed to get accredited. But it's a tricky thing every year - or every six years."

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 Read the article here: http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-03-22/bay-area/18842156_1_engineering-accreditation-students

Posted by Celeste Baine on March 31, 2010


Talkback


From Robert Henry - I guess I am not as negative on this approach as others might be. I would look at this approach as a 5 or 6 year program that is more in line with say a law degree where one does not learn about the fundamentals of law until much later in their education. This could be a path where the engineering profession could attract students that are not in traditional HS math and science curriculum but have some beneficial traits that many of our traditional students often do not have. With some thought I think one could mold this into an interesting and creative engineering degree.

Posted on April 4, 2010 at 6:17 am PST


From David C. Wilson, MSEE - Any decent engineering program will need the heavy emphasis on math and science. In my opinion, we would be making a grave mistake by watering down engineering. For example, a psychologist can be wrong or work from his/her own opinions, stray way from evidenced-based data. Use gut feeling whatever when treating a patient and if he/she is wrong or make a mistake, perhaps only one or two people will suffer until a correction can be made with a different medication or whatever. On the other hand if an engineer or engineers make a mistake, thousands of people could die or tens of thousands. If a school wants to include more of the other disciplines, then why don't they offer a general engineering program or extend the program from a four year program to five years, but don't water down the fundamentals of engineering. I have served many years as a program evaluator for ABET and all I can say is thank God we have an ABET to ensure minimum standards are met. In my opinion, the wider world view makes little sense because engineers are already collaborating and working with other disciplines in the real world. It is my hope that ABET does not cave to any watering down of the field.

Posted on March 31, 2010 at 6:18 pm PST


From T. Newman - So, they are educating students to talk about a bridge, sell a bridge, negotiate the crossing of the bridge, and maybe even find a way to do surgery with or on the bridge, but not necessarily successfully design and build a safe structure. Hmmm. I don't want to cross those bridges! Good for recruitment, bad for end products. Bad message to send high school student who want to prepare for a degree in engineering. Math and science are the foundations.

Posted on March 31, 2010 at 2:31 pm PST


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